marcus33, thanks for the response. i have been doing the carrot of plan A but that is not working for my sitch. i dont know what else to do. she is so distant now that it is driving me nuts, i have thrown everything out the window that i have learned the last four months, i dont mean too it has just happened. we are now back to square one. i dont know if i can continue with this path. i know people in here have done this a long time, but yet have not seen them in any better standing now then they were in the beginning. we all try and make ourselfs better, but our S just dont or will not believe us and wants to join us in our pusuit to save our marriages. i would like to know what the percentiges are of people in here that end up in a happy marriage by doing these things we all bought into. i bought into saving my marriage, but now i feel i am just prolonging the obivious, my marriage is over, my wife is no more, she is not the woman i fell in love with, and i am now wondering if she will ever be that woman again.
