first of grasshopper i want to thank you for all your advice, if your not a counsler you should be. in one day you taught me more than a lot of high paying counslers have. i know your right about not falling back into the old me, i wont because it didnt work for us. i am reluctant on the news she told me today. i hope its real and she does what she says she is going to do. i will focus on me and let her focus on herself, hopefully that will make a differnce. she did open up to me last she told me that she didnt think she would be good enough for me anymore, i told her i have to make that decision not her. she also said she was afraid that if she came back i would change my mind and end it with her. i told her she has a right for that fear, that i understand why she fears that, but in my heart if we both put 100% effort into it that i would not change my mind. its soo hard, but im up to the chalenge. thanks again