I think that bolting thing keeps us all on pins and needles. I guess there is just no way we can know how any action we take will affect another person. That's what makes all this so tough. It's hard to be in a R but not know what the heck kind of R you are in! I figure patience is the key. Acknowledge small gains and wait. But, again, to share your frustrations and your hopes for the future together is probably a good thing. My W knows what I want our R to be cuz I told her! She just has to choose to work on it with me and, of course, dump the homewrecker! In all our sitch's time is key and who knows which of us will be able to tough it out and who has to call it quits. No shame either way. Reality is that even if you wait and work there is no guarantee anything you do will make a lick of dif. So we each do what we can for as long as we can. That's all we can do. I am heading to vacation land now, see you in a week. Yes, the wife and kids minus the homewrecker. Keep us posted on your sitch.