Why not listen to what he wants to talk about and then follow that discussion with one that you have interest in.

alot of H's don't like OR talks cus the discussions tend to turn accusatory and confrontational. The trick is to discuss OR stuff in a spouse friendly manner. You should be able to discuss what is bothering you. Just keep it about you and your feelings rather than what H has done. Example, tell him what he is doing that you appreciate and ask for more of something he does not provide. Then let it go. Don't even look at him like he needs to respond. If he responds, chances are good he will be defensive. That is not what you want.

I don't pursue W for OR talks at all anymore (well almost). I have told her what I need more of and accept that it up to her to provide it. I have "zero" expectations in that regard and find that I am pleasantly surprised when she "comes thru" with compliments or an "I luv you" or whatever. I don't presume that W has figured out her crisis yet nor is she toatally out of it just because I have achieved center.

Use gentle guidance.

I'm not sure if this makes any sense.

[ October 04, 2001: Message edited by: KentS ]