Kent - still haven't done OR talk. But I typed and printed out an outline for the "session". I'm using allotolearn's basic outline:

#1 We can make it better it both of us choose to. (key- is both)

#2 How we can do this
-be honest and upfront
-read 5 Languages of Love - find/discuss our own language
-realize sugarcoating life, avoiding truths does not lead to intimacy - only away
-it's all about the approach to how we discuss. We've both learned enough and are ready for this step.

#3 I won't tolerate in limbo anymore. (But I can't make it sound like a threat - so will approach that as delicately as possible).

Do you think that is too much Kent?

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Something is still amiss big time - he is hiding something. -A fear? -An OW? (I doubt it but would not shock me) -His plan of riding out life w/me until the kids are on their own? -Is he simply depressed? I don't know.

After almost 5 months of DBing I've learned a lot but still overall lack knowledge of his intentions. It's not about being patient anymore - it's about refusing to avoid confrontation like he does. Someone made me realize this yesterday.

THanks Kent and allotolearn for letting me crash your post.

-WG