hey Jenny, thanks for your suggestions. All and all the day went pretty well. We had a couple of touching moments when i took the kids back that evening. She told me "of course you know your welcome to spend the night, I know you don't like doing it any more but i wish you would." I very respectfully declined and told her that i loved her. she returned the sentiment. I now feel that if i am there all the time and she can access me at anytime, all the time, what incentive does she have to want us to move back together ( the old "why buy the cow when you get the milk free" theory) during the evening I could feel that we both enjoyed being with each other. We talked on the phone night before last when she called, had some pretty good laughs. this morning she called but i did not answer. She has not called tonight. I do not call very often unless it's to return a call. Tonight i did not call simply because i don't have anything to talk about, but i do miss her and the kids. It seems when i distance i get more honest and unadulterated communication and responses concerning her true feelings for me. When i call all the time sometimes she seems to get a little jaded. How far should i carry this distancing thing. Is it OK to call periodically to check on them or should stick to what i'm doing and just stay dark until she calls and then be sweet as if nothing is going on. Sometimes it's kinda hard, other times it's a pleasure. Then there are times when i feel very comfortable with the idea of us not getting back together. I am pretty lonely right now and would appreciate any feed back anyone is willing to give. mike g