Glad to hear that you can get to cloud 9 still after a session of sex. When I have sex with the wife I still resent her. Basically sex with her is just an advanced form of MB. There is no EC during or after the sex, it is not making love. Making love requires relatively equal levels of participation. We don't have sex because she WANTS me, we have sex because I "need" it, and when you have sex that way, it pretty much defeats the whole purpose of physical touch. Its almost like a withdrawl from my love bank.