Quote: BF's #1, Im fine with it if you cant right now' Lou's #1, I think this works and sounds good to me.
BF You seem to have more experience with XX's than I do. BB is still my first XX in many ways and I had to put so much time (pre and once marriage) into earning money, some things were not explored or were not even on my radar.
I am posting the above because I am coming from a position of lack of success when trying to be as assertive as you seem to be and have been. I am also thinking about a guy in a similar position to hairdog's.
Quote: BF's #2, 'There is no need to fake an O. Its insulting when you do, Lou's #2, Though truthful, I think this often would come across as insulting to many woman unless there was a great deal of trust for both partners.
BF. If HairDog said the second quote to his W what do you think would happen? Hairdog, please jump in here.
I can see the value of both of your above statements as a goal. I just don't want to start a war with statement 1 and 2 statements. I think some women would respond to statement #1 as is and a gentler version of statement #2 as a follow up if things did not change.
What do you think of 'There is no need to fake an O. I would rather have the truth. It is easier to work with.
I agree with you idea that faking is lying and lying hurts the R. I also agree with the women that faked it, that the guy would have a very difficult time determning if her "O"'s were real or faked.
A statement like BF #2 when the W did have an "O" how ever small or intense, is just asking for trouble. I still agree that faking is lying.
Yes, I agree BF some of us guys need to lay it on the line and deal with the fall out, be men not boys.
Anyone have any "O" meters so the guy can tell if the woman is faking?
Thanks for all of your ideas, insights, and suggestions,
