I am taking in this thread and came to realize quite few years ago, that if a woman wants or does not need an O, while I might be disappointed, that is OK and faking is something I can do without. I would rather hear what the woman liked about being together (Lou's great back rubs) than have her think she has to do something deceptive.

When I was younger and less knowledgeable, BB having an O or faking one?, did boost my ego. So I think the younger, less knowledgeable guys still don't know that a woman's O has a lot/more to do with the woman than the man. (not including the wam-bam or guys that don't take clues)

RE: Lil men...we find on this board... who just want to know what gives their women pleasure so they can DO it.

Lil, I am going to take that as the guy is trying to find out what the woman likes but she won't say, or the woman thinks nothing the guy might try, would help her enjoy sex. IE. preverbal ND wife.

All I can say, if BB would say what she likes and give some directions as to what she liked (here/there, softer/harder, faster/slower, I would at least accommodate her several times. I say this, because I think most guys (SSH) that are on the forum would do/think the same way. Am I totally open to all things? No, too many bacteria, if you get my drift.

You said many guys don't take directions very well. I can see where this is true, given the fact some guys have too much ego attached to their sexual beliefs (it should be this or that way), believe others feel the same way they do or feel others like things they like. Some people/guys don't know how varied sexual likes/dislikes are or what each person deems appropriate or inappropriate.

BF
Im fine with it if you cant right now'
I think this works and sounds good to me.
'There is no need to fake an O. Its insulting when you do,
Though truthful, I think this often would come across as insulting to many woman unless there was a great deal of trust for both partners.

There are different tilts to women’s
I hear that BF. Learned it through books and the inter-net.

Jumping thru hoops will just make you good at jumping thru hoops......don’t make women horny.
What book was that in? Maybe I relied too much on books? Nothing like first/second person experience. I guess books are good sources too.

Lou