It's not my load of crap, you keep coming from YOUR perspective only...I'm coming from history and societies perspective....not even my perspective as a woman. Look back through history man....geesh. It's all about you isn't it?
Your mind is like concrete: Thoroughly mixed up and well set!
There's not too much of a stigma to porn in Amsterdam! It is on every street corner. Seems to me like they should have no emotionally messed up prostitutes! It is legal there! Move there...Eutopia!
What we need is more porn to make marriages and families healthier! The problems with our families and divorce rate is that there is not enough porn!
If porn is so healthy then let's introduce it to our 12 yr. old boys in school. That would teach them how to view their wives and how to treat them with respect, how to love them, and how to make love to them.
You are right, once again! The answer is to take the stigma off of porn! That is the problem..the stigma..not what the porn does to people's minds!
Of course I am coming from my perspective. I am countering what I saw as a statement from the female perspective. I think I acknowledged the history on this issue.
But how does that make it all about me? Why is it that if a man stands his ground on an issue like this, something he likes, but that the woman does not, that he is being self centered, insensitive, objectifying, etc? That it is all about him? Why is it OK for the woman to get personal, take this as an assault on her values, and then turn it around to somehow become a form of subjugation or control by men? Is it really about me (men) or is it really about you (women)? I will acknowledge this could be about the mix of the two – the dynamics of the man/woman relationship, but I don’t think it is all about me.
I think you are taking this to extremes. I never condoned porn as something that should be brought into the family setting. What I did say is that our society places too much shame on sex and the body. That in no way means we need to open kids to porn. The Christian view and shaming on sex is completely contradictory to emotional health and healthy relationships, as far as I am concerned. The taboos of the church have created more problems, more pedophiles, more sex crimes than in many other societies.
Okay guys gonna call a time out here ( like I have the power).
But to me it seems the conversations is becoming mixed up. Part of the discussion is about feminist behavior vs malist behavior (sorry had to make that one up)and part about porn and the two different subjects are becoming so emeshed and criss crossing that it is becoming confussing. Well atleast to me. Please help me out and tell much which issue you are now talking about.
Let's see, now, God made Adam and Eve NAKED!!! They went around a garden NAKED! I think that God's (don't know about religion- it can be pretty screwed up) idea for Husbands and Wives is for there to be no shame and to go around at home NAKED!
It is degrading to the women who participate in porn. It is not degrading to me! I said "it makes us objects"...I should have said "it makes them objects". If you read life stories, see interviews and the like of women who come out of a life of centerfolds and porn they told what the life was like and how it hurt them. They are affected for the rest of their life. I've known a few women personally. They can be pretty messed up. "Pretty Woman"...not a proper depiction of that profession at all.
So how does this fall into the category of being a males responsiblity?
These woman were not forced to become models porn stars or strippers. IT was a choice freely made by them. For money or for self ego reasons. These females put them selfs in this role in life. Wanted the attention. Got what they willing choose. How does the male become to blame when this woman reach a point that there morals change. Or there looks fade? The messed up part of there life was brought on by free choice. No more pity needed then the person who willingly sticks a needle in the arm everyday to get high it is personal choice from the begining. Now if you are talking backwoods country's were children are sold and forced to do these things I see your point but other wise. I have to agree with Cobra with the fact that is a femistic view of the man being in the wronge when he is not the one to blame.
I’m not upset. I thought you were. I was just trying to fire up some lively conversation. Personally I could care less what people think of porn. My wife doesn’t seem to mind it, and even enjoys it some (not the girl on girl stuff), so I really have no problems. My feminism thoughts are more based on principal and the feeling of equality.
I don't know where I blamed men for it. Where? Every person is responsible for their own actions. Including women.
I think things are being read into what I have written that I did not say. Assumptions based on reactions. You quoted me but I don't understand how your question has anything to do with my quote. Help me out here.
I have only endeavored to say that porn DOES hurt relationships and people. There are studies to PROVE it.
And if people choose to do have porn as a part of their life...they may. It is not my place to criticize them for doing so.
RAther than accepting porn as "normal" it might be of use to those who care to or are open minded to discover than porn hurts the women participating in it...as well as viewers of it.
