Nicegal,

OK, going to stir up the pot here….

Plus, it is downright degrading to women....and makes us objects!

I’ve heard this so many times I think I want to puke! In my opinion, because men are visual, it only stands to reason that we are turned on by looking at women. If we developed using smell for survival, we’d all greet each other by bending over and smelling each other’s ass. (Now there’s some visuals for ya Lou! Just think of all the variations on greeting we could have!) If men fantasized about liking a particular odor, women would say we were objectifying them in that way.

I think this objectifying statement comes from women, based on women’s values. I don’t know of any men that complain of other men objectifying women, or objectifying anything else. It is normal to us. But it is not normal to women. Women prefer to evaluate men on an emotional quotient, on how sensitive and empathic a man is. This is not normal for men.

If a man talks about how he experiences other men, based on these feelings, the other men could feel very uncomfortable about it. And could they say that discomfort is degrading to them, making them out to be nothing more than a pot of emotions, feelings, femininity, possibly even gay? You bet men could take offense to this treatment, especially if someone wrote a book about it. How “degrading” would it be to a tough marine to be judged only on his emotions when he works so hard at keeping in top physical condition, is an expert at hand to hand combat, has master survival training under the worst conditions… and all you want to talk about is my emotions?

I see the above statement as a typical feminist control tactic, trying to set the standard on which men are to be judged. My point is that men’s views should be used in conjunction with women’s views to set the standard for what is acceptable or not. I think recognition of a man’s innate tendency to visualize the world, including women, should be accepted. And I think women should be more comfortable with their bodies to not be bothered about what some man is thinking about them (barring lewdness, etc.)


Cobra