Quote: I am not being a smart ass. I *cannot* see where you have shown a single example of this. Would you be kind enough to cut and paste where you showed me an example of this and place it right under this request?
How about: Let me make a more extreme example. I would like my wife to have breast implants. It is something I, as a male, would like. The very fact that I would mention something like this is likely to trigger all kinds of attacks from women that I am objectifying my wife, I do not care for her a person, that I only want her for sex, blah, blah, blah. The fact of the matter is that I would like her to have bigger, firmer boobs rather than smaller sagging boobs. And I can want this in her and still care about her as a person, even if I want to objectify her boobs.
Thank you for the examples.
I say it doesn't matter what an amorphous bunch of women somewhere out there have to say about what you want. All that matters is whether or not your wife agrees with you. And how would the fems know if you don't discuss it with them? It's not as if you and your wife would have to go before some feminist board of directors to gain approval before you could proceed.
And if your wife posted on any male dominated forum (for instance soc.men), that she wanted you to get pec implants because it is something as a woman she would really like.
What do you think the response is going to be?
I think it safe to say that the men's response to your wife's need for your pec implants will be the equivalent in uproar to a bunch of women hearing about your desire for her to have breast implants.
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But this is heresy in the feminist circle. Men are made to feel guilty about thinking such thoughts. I see not reason why we shouldn’t. If I am willing to accept my wife as she is, and do not think less of her if she doesn’t get a boob job, then I should have no hesitancy in stating what I like. But I can’t. Just like I can’t tell her she looks fat on that pair of pants (no I don’t stuff a Twix bar in my face).
See above regarding opposite gender specific heresy responses. It ain't going to be any different, whether we're looking for pec implant support or breast implant support for your personal preferences for your spouse. So, is there a vast conspiracy of manimists against women seeking pec implants for their husbands?
Or does it strike you that some distaste for this crosses both over to both sides of the gender aisle?
And your wife can't tell you that the size 32 jeans you used to wear in highschool aren't really supposed to go *under* your belly in order for you to stay in the same size jeans, without the comment producing some negative emotional feedback in you.
I would like to say that the need to have an attractive spouse is a legitimate need. Either spouse that lets themself go physically shouldn't be horribly offended if their wife/husband no longer finds them appealing. Some people don't have issues with it, other people do. Like any legitimate need, it can be taken to an unhealthy extreme.
And I wouldn't hesitate to say that the desire for an attractive spouse (which can be held by both genders) is probably one of the least socially unaccepted (publically anyway) needs - again, however, it cuts across both genders.
I confess to getting a bit squicked myself at the idea that a woman who has kept to an attractive weight, keeps physically fit, clean, dressed and coiffed, isn't quite good enough unless she goes through an invasive surgical procedure and if she wasn't wanting it herself.
But I would feel exactly the same toward a woman who wanted her husband to have butt implants. So, again, it's not gender specific.
And if it's not gender specific, how can it be an affront to men alone?
