No, I have not read the book. Is that a requirement in order to discuss *your* opinions and assertions about the book with you? How many participants on SSM have read SSM? Have you?
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Quote: I can express my feelings and my spouse can express his. I would greatly appreciate it if you could give me a single example of how one person expressing their feelings somehow takes away from another person's feelings.
I already have.
I am not being a smart ass. I *cannot* see where you have shown a single example of this. Would you be kind enough to cut and paste where you showed me an example of this and place it right under this request?
Quote: I applaud your bravery in citing Dr. Schlessinger's book. It's come up before, and I found just CeMar and me agreeing with its main points, and she is a very controversial figure.
Why would he say such a thing if it were not for the attacks I have been receiving by some women, but most notably you.
Questioning your assertions, disagreeing with your assertions, giving examples that counter your assertions - these are not attacks on you. They are merely disagreements with what you seem to be propounding.
And what you have said makes no sense whatsoever. Choc references some earlier discussion about Dr. Laura (that you evidently weren't a part of) states that she is controversial and somehow that's my fault because I saide something to you this week? How are my actions with you this week, somehow responsible for Choc's saying what he did about something that occurred month's ago?
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Quote: If your wife says, "I feel lonely and unloved when you spend every weekend with your hunting buddies." What feeling of yours has been diminished?
I become affected when her feelings turn into resentment and she starts to distance, become cold, withhold sex, all as a way to “punish” me for my inconsideration of her feelings. But my premise, which is directed to the men on this board is the we (and society) are as responsible for enabling this behavior in women, and we should take sight of our own feelings.
And is it possible for women to "become affected," when hubby gets distanced, cold and withholds affection, all as a way to "punish" the wife for her inconsideration for his needs to go hunting every weekend?
And while you are *affected* by what she expresses, you are not *diminished*. Which is what the issue has been, whether or not a man is *diminished* when his spouse expresses her feelings.
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Quote: This just is not provable! Men jump to offense just as quickly, but perhaps instead of yakking about it they just haul off and punch the other guy, or strategize on how to get his offensive punk-a$$ fired or demoted, or tackled extra hard in the next inning.
Now you are generalizing, using extreme examples. If you don’t see what I am talking about, then that’s your problem. Plenty others seem to understand where I am coming from, whether you believe it is provable or not.
And what, if not generalizing, have you been doing? You think women take offense at some astronomically higher rate than do men. I disagree. I KNOW what you are talking about, I just disagree and give you examples of why I disagree. Men fight, cuss, brawl, shoot, rampage, box, fisticuff, kungfu, knife, and face off each other in statistically higher, real world numbers, ways than women, yet you want me to believe that men don't take offense - well except if they are drunk and in extreme situations (it seems you believe based on what you've written).
I have 3 brothers. I was in one physical altercation my entire life, they and their buds were punching or wrestling someone on a regular basis.
I see that you want to assert that women are more likely to express their feelings of hurt (and probably any other sort of feeling they may be having) verbally, than do men.
This seems to be something inherent to females and is therefore wrong. This seems to be wrong in your opinion because it places some unbearable onus on the man to fix.
This need for the man to fix things is inherently male and therefore something he can't help, but that's okay because he's male.
The male's response to female emotional expressions is also a result of feminist infected therapy, therefore it's still women's fault.
So, the male's inherent tendencies get a free pass, a woman's inherent tendencies don't.
Men and women have differences. Not only are there gender differences, there are personality differences.
Quote: If I bring out alternative points of view that are not in keeping with the feminist dogma, I am attacked. Does that make me a woman hater, or do those attacks make you a man hater?
Having an alternative point of view isn't an attack nor is it an indicator of hatred.
In the past on this forum, I have pointed out that I think young boys get stiffed in schools because higher levels of physical activity are discouraged in a classroom situation and drugs are passed out primarily to boys. I have posted that I think men get the short end of the stick when it comes to divorce and custody. So, I am on record on this forum of being supportive of men's issues and men in general.
I will openly apologize to any man here who has ever felt that I have bashed them for being male in any way. Or if I have attacked any male-related type behavior, I will apologize and retract. Male or female can point it out.
Now you can insist that you are just being honest and forthright and that the women who protest your assertions are just proving your point that most women are manipulative, conniving, insensitive and quick to offense, or you can examine yourself and consider that maybe what floods out of you has other, more negative aspects to it as pointed out by several women here.
As to whether or not I am a feminist, I'll let you decide. I think abortion is wrong. I think if women can't meet the physical standards required for a job that they shouldn't be given the job. I don't think existing physical standards should be lowered in order to allow women more access. I do not support the concept of alimony. I do not support the idea that women should get custody of the children. I believe that divorcing couples should be required to live within 30 minutes of each other so that both parents continue to be a part of the child's life. I do not believe in gender quotas. I do not believe that female pedophiles should get a different sentence than male pedophiles. I do not think female rapists or murderers should get a lighter sentence than do males. I think sexual harrassment works both ways and is not something only a man can do. I think abused women who kill their husbands do not have an excuse in this day and age for their actions, if it didn't occur during an altercation when her life was at risk.
