Well I think I've tried everything I could think of : Sent e cards every day; cleaned her car; rub her back; massage her scalp; made and brought hot lunch to work; bought books that go unread and magazine articles that go unutilized; when she decided to walk early morning I went with her .... about 5x ... then she quit; when I tried to get her started on exercise with me no way !! She has Diabetes is at least 60lbs overweight. I've frequently tried to get her motivated to exercise or diet, not even for me but to be around when we hopefully have grandkids. She even sent me an article regarding the damaging affects of Diabetes ... and said I'm really going to start now! It's been 2 months!!! While I was in the kitchen during Christmas someone rubbed my back spontaneously ..... of course it wasn't my wife, I can't remember the last time she had done that in 22 years!!! She comes home from work, barely speaks to me, eats, does HW w/ the kids then sits on the couch and passes out till I wake her for bed. This weekend for a solo long car ride I gave her a copy of a DB radio program. She didn't listen to it!!! It's not even the minimal amount of sex, it's the simple things like holding hands; a good night kiss; a back rub; playing with my hair; talking about the kids or about a home remodeling project. BTW I want to do some of this remodel work myself, I really know how to do this stuff, but she'd rather pay someone to do it !! I'm finally at the point where I'm "user transparent" and finally at GIGO (garbage in garbage out) ie I've been neglected and don't think I've got anything else to give!!! SO ANY IDEAS??