Quote: Well, I should have expected that. However it is the first time she has pulled back. So, I guess I should probably assume that this is nearing an end?? It saddens me to think that may be the case; but isn't that an indication that she just wants to not be with me??? I just feel used. I know that I let myself go there and I knew the consequences before going in; but I really had hoped that we could fix things...I know that there is still the chance; but is that realistic??? Only she knows and maybe people like Just who have been there before???
She hasn't said go away; but isn't that pretty much what she is saying by her actions??? So, the question is do I totally pull away or do I still maintain contact and swim like we have been??? I really do enjoy the workout with her; but I am bummed too.
Don't worry about the pullback, that happened to me about 500 times. But in my opinion, there is just too much of you. It is overkill, exercise with s-son, exercise with her, then visitation. If the pursuit appears too much to us reading your thread it is the same with her. Cut it down a notch. Be friendly, but a little less obviously hung up on her.
As for helping out...I think it's okay. THink about her as your best friend. What would you do for your best friend? Don't cross the line though onto big favors. When you are "getting a life", don't compromise those things for her. Beg out based on previous plans. In fact, even if you don't have plans you might consider turning down a favor once in a while.
Lastly, about guys at her place of work. There is absolutely nothing you can do about that. It seems to me that when you sense she has the opportunity for more male attention, you turn up the heat. You do more pursuing. All that does is draw the contrast between a "needy" guy and these self-assured guys she's coming in contact with. If she chooses to start dating some guy she meets while working there isn't a thing you can do about it. I hate to say this again, but you need to detach more. If that means just knocking on the door, saying a quick hello, grabbing the kids, and leaving, then so be it.
Frank, you've been doing the same thing for months now without improvement. Remember the premise..more of what works and experiment. You need to do something else. From what you write, I feel like you are pushing her away. She may be done with OM, but I'm not sure whether you are coming across as an acceptable alternative.
If possible, maybe you should just get away for a week. And maybe you should also consider asking her to drive to a half-way point.
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But in my opinion, there is just too much of you. It is overkill, exercise with s-son, exercise with her, then visitation. If the pursuit appears too much to us reading your thread it is the same with her. Cut it down a notch. Be friendly, but a little less obviously hung up on her. 
