Dang Chrissy. I feel like I either need to join Mellanie in the blushing club or BF in the ROTFLMAO club. Thanks for keeping my thread alive.

"First of all let me say this you must be one hell of a kisser if you can make your wife O from a kiss.
Never in my life. That would be awesome."

Well, I was massaging her breasts at the same time, so it wasn't JUST the kiss. She did push me away all of the sudden yelling "STOP STOP STOP!" and then O'd. I thought it was kinda funny but she was not amused.

The W has said that she thinks I am a good kisser, much better than her previous boyfriends. I've only kissed (other than a peck) one other woman who said I was a good kisser too, but that was just after one kiss. I do REALLY like to kiss my wife, I kinda lose myself in it, forget there is a world outside of her lips. Maybe that's what it takes to be a good kisser. Maybe its just because she is a good kisser too.

"Urgh no all woman O differently.
When I O I do not thrash around wildly nor do I moan groan scream or else wise have many visable signs. I actually hold my breath during a O and move very little.(I also held my breath will giving child birth for what ever that is worth). But every muscle in my lower half tighten which is exactly why I do not move around. Movement makes me relax the muscles and loose out on the O. Its a focus tech. Or maybe BF will say it is a control issue lol."

Your description does sound similar to how my W O's, so maybe she is getting a lot of good feeling out of it like you are.

"After I O is when the wild thrusting urge comes in to play.
Jungle sex as I refer to it. I still do not grunt groan moan or what ever. Well maybe moan now and again but not to a extreme."

Here is where you differ though. I have not seen any sign in my W that she enjoys sexual activity after her O, although I have never directly asked. My size might again be a problem, coupled with lubrication problems, nervousness, etc. I am anxious/excited to see if we can solve the issues and maybe get to a point where she does enjoy the feeling of IC beyond her O.

"If I was to flay around the bed I would be faking it.(okay and laughing my ass off)."

LOL

"I use to feel like he was digging for gold down there."

More valuable than gold IMO. Can you blame us guys for go after it with gusto? LOL

"Pratice while sitting at your desk or where ever. Get some carbon paper put it under a few pieces of paper. Rub the paper lightly the goal to not press hard enough to rub carbon on to the paper. You are teaching your self a pressure tech. You can gauge how much pressure you are asserting with your fingers at this time. Sounds whack but believe me it will help you. Of course the easiest way would be if you had a wife that just said a little softer instead of stop to gauge it but hey we cannot all be me."

Thanks for the practicing tip. I really appreciate it. I feel kinda like Kane in Kung Fu ... "You must walk across the rice paper without making a mark Grasshopper." LOL Thanks again.

"Is it always the same fantasy?"

The fantasy has a number of variations, but the essential concept is the same every time.

"This screams to me she likes it. Maybe by not being herself she disconnects from her moral self? Is less inhibated or what ever."

An interesting thought. Hmmm. The only problem I have with the idea is that the fantasy is about me and what I want. She has never shown any signs that the role-playing excites her in any way. It was just her gift to me, which I did appreciate. But I do want our sex life to be about us from now on. Am I being too idealistic?

"While I myself could do the sexy lingerie and high heels.
Talk to me or act as if I am suppose to be a hooker I am going to role on the floor laughing my ass off."

The W and I have never done any of that kindof role play, and I'm not sure how she would take it. Probably would get to giggling like you do.

"Fantasy can be fun and can also be used as a great learning tool. If you are both playing for the other."

Your last sentence is what gets me. Although I have asked many times about her fantasies, she has never expressed any. This leads me to believe that she just wants it to be about real life, her and me. That's what I want too.

"Your wife will tell you when she is ready for you to enter her, Your wife will get on top which means she is doing some of the work. Your wife will role play You know what gets your wife hot. Kissing and breast foreplay. Your wife is not as LD as you think. You need to learn how to play her passions and make her unable to deny them."

She has in the past stopped foreplay (rather suddenly sometimes) to get on top. I like for her to do that because she has a much easier time of finding the position that makes her feel good. Oddly enough she seems to get more tired when she is on the bottom. Some of the difficulty there is due to our size difference. I have to contort quite a bit to continue stimulating her breasts or clit while we are having IC, and it might kill the mood somewhat.

"After you read this give her one of those knee knocking kisses when you go to bed then tell her you love her and then snuggle up and go to sleep do it before you leave for work. A few times a day then no follow up. Oh she will want you. And after a few days follow up and give her what she wants."

OK. I'll try it. Most of the time she begs off when I approach her for a passionate kiss, citing bad breath or something else. I guess it might be one of those "halfhearted protests" that Stig and others mention. I just need to keep at it even if she rejects sometimes. Well, having my W hot for me is one of if not the biggest dream I have, so I guess it is worth the effort.

Thanks Chrissy.


"Recollect me darlin, raise me to your lips, two undernourished egos, four rotating hips"

Inertia Creeps by Massive Attack