Hey Andy,

I'd hoped that you'd be telling me your r with w is finally what you want.

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Not much has changed, has it? Not much has changed in the exchanges you have with the other fine folks around here either.




HEY, I'm not sure exactly how to take that! I know I can come off as brash or cold or even condesending at times but when people continue to try to get their point across in a way that communicates to me that they aren't fully understanding my position what can I do but be honest.

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Well, not much has changed for me either. But I do have something different you may want to try. It almost looks like you’re already trying it out for size.

Give up!

That’s what I did, and though it hasn’t improved anything, it’s made life tolerable.





I have in some sense given up and though it makes things tolerable it still leaves me with an empty space...I can have all the hobbies, friends, personal goals etc keeping me afloat but with out a reciporically intimate r with my intended life long parnter aren't I missing something? acceptance of "that's just the way it is" isn't going to fill that void it's just (in my opion) giving in.

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I saw on your last thread that people were trying to get you to envisage your future – either divorced, or married. They’re asking you to look deep into your soul and try to figure out why you want to stay M, or why you want to D.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that it is an attempt to justify your values and your feelings. Can’t be done, LL. Your values and feelings cannot be reduced to words




I know this, YOU know this but I don't think others know this. How can I express my position to people on a bb when my position can't be fully put into words.

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The key word is seek, LL. I think the reason you don’t go for it is because there are no guarantees that things’ll be better in the long run.





In part that is very true but not all of the equation.

Andy...I don't look at you as a doormat...I look at you as someone who's still got hope and desire but what's going to happen to you and your r with w when that hope and desire burn out like the expectations have? that's kind of where I am now...sure there are sparks of hope left but not enough to start the fire and eventually without tending too those sparks may go out too...what then?

LL