I am so sad for us most of the time. I know I am supposed to be positive, but really, for such senseless crap to be put on such good people is really, well, senseless. I too hope my W finally gets it but I don't know (especially after last night...see my new thread) if that will be anytime soon. It seems like with all the "I don't know what I want" crap they throw around, one of the things that would occur to them is "hey, maybe I want to stop being an a$$hole and realize that my spouse, who has their faults and blame in all this too, is really trying to make this work, so maybe I could give that a try too." Ah, but no, that never seems to be one of the things they don't know if they want. They are SO unsure of everything in the known and unknown universe except that our marriages are over. Funny how that one sparkling nugget of BS is what they cling to. Anyway, more work to do on us, more work for them to do on reality. May the two meet someday!