BlackFoot......THANK YOU for the list of things that you do, seems I have been doing fair amount of it just need to "fine tune it". The getting up and walking away part in particular. I for one appreciate the fact that you make no excuses for being a man and who you are. I for months have been reading your posts and saying I wish this guy was up here in Big Sky land where we could have a few drinks and hang out so I could absorb some of this guys thought process. I guess I am here on the board, and fewer brain cells are dying in the process.

Hairdog, it appears too me that your W is a "controll person". My W is too and so was my M. It appears that these women don't think of how much they are affecting the family or rejecting thier H. If WE allow it they will not focus beyond their controlled enviroment and self made world, reality as they would like. This is were BF is saying don't let their "small" protests deter us. One thing that has helped me is "making her face the truth".
For example your W saying "she doesn't want sex with any man". I would not have done this 5 years ago, but now I would say something like: I don't want you to have sex with ANY MAN but THIS MAN whom you proclaim to love, whom you made committments too whom you have made a life with. TO consider me ANY MAN is a dishonor our marrige and to dishonor me, your husband and to most of all to dishonor yourself. Then I'd let her be and stew .

But I'm just a fool.