Sheila, thanks so much for your thoughts and I do appreciate the advice about the meds. Maybe he has to get worse before he gets better, I will try and keep going but you do get into a slump every now and then. It's a bit sad but I used to still get little little butterflies when I saw H even up till a month or two ago but they have flown away, I find now I don't even look that forward to seeing him. I have noticed this and I guess that is what has me re-evaluating things at the moment......

BB thanks darl, yes I have gone over that Marriage Builders site and I know it does say that the WAS must be transparent so you got that right but I don't know how you force them to, I don't believe you can. You did make an interesting suggestion though so I might go and print a few bit out and show him sort of say I was looking for some advice and came across this.....

No we haven't really sat down and discussed it in simple terms it's been more general than specific. I have a feeling that if I said he had to show me his phone when I wanted he would tell me to go jump and yes I would let him look at mine if he wanted, I have no secrets, well except this board.

In his eyes I told him OW had to be gone for us to work and he figures he has done that and I shouldn't need any more proof. Is he just being dumb, naive or stubborn or does he have something to hide. Who would know??????

I wont do any harm if I can help it at the moment but you know the New Year is coming and this year was so awful that I guess I want 2006 to be the start of new beginnings, with or without H, don't know why it has to be the start of the New Year but it just seems more clear from then...

Anyhow I hope I have answered all you posted and I appreciate that both of you Sheila and BB stopped by with some good thought provoking contructive questions and ideas, so thanks guys.....KDU


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