Yes, I know patience is the key word. And to not expect a thing out of this.

spitfire,

read a little also on your sitch. and first thought was my condolenses on loosing your dog recently. any thoughts on another? I know how my 2 have been the best of company--yes, also sometimes more than H. I also see some similarity on my 2 children also. I have D21 who is living out of house in college, and she has barely spoken to her dad since the big bomb dropped. I'm sure both my kids were shocked , because we were also the 'happy couple" to everyone else looking in. My H blurted it out to the kids and said "I f--cked up on your mom", and it probably really blew them away. My D is also pretty silent with me about it, I ask here if she has any ?'s, but she really does not want to talk about us. I think she needs time and maybe feels I am able to give her that. I have never badmouthed my H to either of them, in fact, I feel guilty at times for eluding to them, their dad and I as being more together than we really are. My S19 lives at home, is pretty much in his 19yr. old life. S is in contact with his dad and also does not ask me much, the silence with us all is hard.

Are your sons talking to you about it all? Hope they work it out for themselves and good that you mentioned they have seen C. Was it easy to get them to go?

thanks again for the thoguhts, not sure if my thread will get X-rated, but , we'll see, and I will remind myself of that one thing I seem to be always running short of--patience!--do take care and know you are a strong person!