Cob, I hear what you say and that I need to change but how and in what direction? I have spent the last two years reading all the books, differentiating, losing my anger, doing more about the house, disclosing my inner feelings and desires, giving her quality time and presents and hopefully becoming a better and more fanciable person but just how far does a guy have to go down this change route? With the best will in the world I'm never going to be able to turn into some Alpha male Viking that will sweep her off her feet and carry her off into some emotionally connected sunset. If I persuaded her to see a councillor I wouldn't be surprised if when the councillor heard her story (ie not fancying me, continually rejecting me etc. etc.) he/she would tell her to kick me out, sue for the house the kids and half my income. The times I saw the councillor on my own (because W didn't show up) she told me to find someone else because you only live once. SD
