Hi JeanB. Thanks for joining in. I continue to be amazed at how many people have suffered through these long ther affairs. I, too have read many threads on the MLC boa4rds. That is when the light blub realy went off. I kept reading about my H in each of those threads. The "symptoms" of a MLC are pretty standard. I guess that has made me a bit more forgiving toward my H. I now know that there is nothing I can do or say to make him come back. It must be on his terms and in his time. I just wonder if I will want him back. Like you I tend to focus on the OW. It seems to be the main issue that we will have to overcome. I don't know if my H will ever really work on our M. He is so into himself right now it seems impossible that he will ever come around. He has been miserable for so long it has become a way of life for him. If and when our H's do come through this I believe they will be completely different people. But then, so will we! I think as I wright this that my H has traveeled to see OW. He has been gone all night and day and has not returned his D's phone call from last night. That is very unusual but not totally unexpected. Do you sometimes feel that there is nothing that he can do to that would surprise you? I have a hard time wondering why a divorced women would stick around a married man for too long. It seems the men are very reluctant to file for D. Why is that? Well, G2G pick up my D. God bless all of you wonderful people. Have a happy and blessed Thanksgiving. Even with our troubles we all have much to be thankful for. SallyG