Hey Nightrunner. I really feel for you man. I am amazed at all the stories here sometimes. I wonder if the LD people really realize that it wouldn't take that much trying to make it work (at least at first). Just give us some indication that this is not a chore, that there is interest, that they are looking forward to at least part of it, even if it is just the hugging and being close to one another. I think the desire will come once they get past the initial trepidation.

Anyway, I think GELs advice is good. I am planning on being much more direct with my W in the future. I think Dr. Phil says it right. You don't have to explain your wants/needs/desires, they just are. So when you talk to your W, don't try to explain why you want what you want, just let them know that you consider it a necessary part of the relationship, because it meets a need for you. And then jump right into the details.

Of course, who am I to talk.


"Recollect me darlin, raise me to your lips, two undernourished egos, four rotating hips"

Inertia Creeps by Massive Attack