Ellie, you have hit the nail on the head. I am just starting to realize that and am starting to investigate this. Thanks for the referral. We have also talked about counseling, but that has never been a positive thing. Of the 10 or so different counselors we/she has tried they have all been short lived with little results. However, we have been reading together and commenting on together the book "The Divorce Remedy" by Michele. It has probably provide them most conversation in 14 years! Crossing my fingers! Thanks again!