I just got back in town a while ago and read quickly through the threads here. Somehow, it got off on pumpkin recipes. I do love pumpkin bread by the way.

Blackfoot, thanks for the detailed analysis of my encounters. I'll definitely post more convos anad situations for helpful advice.

LFL and others. I am SOOO sorry to have caused all this ruckus and apparently bad feelings. LFL please come back and post here. Your voice is needed. You have given me such good advice about things, from a perspective that is uniquely different from anyone else's here. And you have done so for other people too, not just me. I love how you stand up to blackfoot and have a great time doing it. I would hate to be the cause for your voice being absent from this community.

As for the others, I don't think LFL intended to get into a discussion with me that would cross any boundaries, any more than the discussion we already have. I just think maybe there were some details that were embarrassing to talk about or something that she might have felt more comfortable talking about one on one. Or maybe it was just like me she was worried about polluting the board with non-relationship stuff. Although the pumpkin discussion today completely dispelled that notion from me. Maybe I am being naive yet again. I seem to be pretty good at that.

You are right about one thing Cobra, I am worried that I have posted too many details here. I hope no one has gotten the idea that I ever intended my comments as wife-bashing or looking down on her. I have tried to use this forum as a means of getting my head on straight so that I CAN MAKE MY MARRIAGE WORK. Sometimes when we vent we say things that we really don't mean in the long term, which is why I am saying that stuff here instead of to my wife. You guys have called me on the BS parts of my vents, and I thank you for that. The bottom line is that I love my wife and want to stay married to her. Perhaps not in the old naive 'we'll always be in love no matter what' frame of mind, but the 'I am determined to make it work' frame of mind.

Anyway, more later when I get a chance. I'll respond to everyone's posts, except maybe the pumpkin threads. And most importantly ... LFL COME BACK!!!!!

"Recollect me darlin, raise me to your lips, two undernourished egos, four rotating hips"

Inertia Creeps by Massive Attack