"Women have a position 'role' to play, likewise men also." I can understand that intuitively. Its just some of the details of those roles that are causing me difficulty. I guess it is because I never really gave it much thought before, so it is mostly new to me. I heard someone say that it takes 6 times hearing something before it sinks in.
"Wanting it to be different and not dealing with the biology of it will cause you to endlessly bang your head on a wall." I know that feeling.
"You should not deny or hide, but it cant be allowed to dictate to you like it does to her. LFL said she would respect her H if he said I want you to clean the house and admit his feelings. not be P/A, and not deny. make it a statement. that doesnt always mean you will get it though either. LOL." I think I can understand this.
"Cobras Model is exactly right, and it is not that difficult. there is no subterfuge when you understand that it is that way. Its different then a man, but it is that way. Diagram it out, its far simpler then calculus, to see guaranteed. Not neccesarily to deal with though LOL."
The subterfuge I see is that you pretend to accept your W's words while secretly thinking "she'll just change her mind later." I do understand the concept, but it borders on being patronizing which I abhor. I'd rather just say "I don't like what you are saying to me (or this negative feeling you are having) and I hope you reconsider it and come to a better conclusion later." Is this wrong-headed of me, or am I just misinterpreting your's and Cobra's words again.
Oh, and calculus is a bad example. Calculus is very elegant in its simplicity. It makes problems easier to solve IMHO.
"Recollect me darlin, raise me to your lips, two undernourished egos, four rotating hips"
