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#548970 10/11/05 01:23 PM
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Jo - Seems like an iffy call to me, giving you those pills on the basis of a somewhat soft ultrasound finding? Are they truly worried about a tubal pregnancy? Or just being overly-cautious?

Seems like you could safely wait a week and recheck that HCG (you know, it's not like lab errors never occur.) Doctors have been known to be awfully wrong about things on occasion when it comes to pregnancy. Even if you had a tubal pregnancy, it would be unlikely to go bad in the next few days.

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They just said they don't want anything happening to my tubes. I've been through this before (never with the tubal problem, though).

I lost one at 5 weeks and another at 8 weeks and threatened miscarriage with DD1, bleeding for weeks on end with my last pregnancy, and then a surgical removal It was the worst thing I ever did in my life. I regret it constantly, but as there were mental health issues as well at the time they were all pushing me into it. The guilt is terrible.

That's why I'm not crash hot on taking abortion pills, I mean, that's basically what it is, isn't it?

Could a serum result be wrong then? I thought blood tests were always right. If I was 4 weeks pregnant, could it be that the HCG isn't registering properly? Because I'm not bleeding so it doesn't feel as if I will miscarry like they say.

Do you think I should wait till I'm say 3 or 4 weeks late for the period before I re-test, because I just feel they are rushing me, but if there is something blocking my tubes, how do I know I'm not endangering my health?

Ugh.

I am in tears wondering what to do, Andy is in Lincoln (50 miles away) and can't talk and he isn't in till 7.30pm so I can't even discuss it with him

I don't mind not being pregnant, and I don't mind having a baby, but I do mind losing one

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Jo -
HCG levels in pregnancy double every four days - therefore, a test in a week or so should increase significantly - no need to wait longer.

Yes, blood tests are very good, but no test is 100% accurate, and there is always the possibility for human error, mixed up labels and the like - rare, but it does happen.

Treating this at an early stage is easier than at a later stage, so I wouldn't wait several weeks - but I think there's no harm in waiting one week and repeating the HCG just to be sure. You are still so early that even if it was a tubal pregnancy (which seems unlikely) one week would probably not make any difference.

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Don't know if you have a medical library nearby, but here's a refernce to an article on HCG testing:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12848444&query_hl=1

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Hi Jo,

I'm sorry to hear about this rough news. (((Jo))) I'm thinking about you!! And sending a simple prayer your way.

Gabriel


God heals the broken-hearted (Psalm 147:3)

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#548975 10/11/05 04:56 PM
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Sorry about your news. Mind if I come out of lurkdom to say something? If you're 16 something days past your period, you're officially over 6 weeks pregnant, not four (unless you don't have a normal cycle). They start counting on the first day of the last period.

If, at 6 weeks, you only have "tracable" hcg and no yolk sack seen on ultrasound, things are not looking good. But by all means, do have anther test done in a couple of days just for your peace of mind. Good luck to you, and all the best.

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Yes but I'm not going by the date of my period as I only had sex with him once and that was afterwards by nearly 2 weeks so that makes me nearer 4 weeks than 6. I'm sure you'll agree it's not possible to be pregnant unless you have ML.

In my last pregnancy my official due date going by my period date was 12th December, but at the early scan they realised I hadn't concieved until after that date and they re-estimated my due date as Boxing Day.

I know, though, I think I have no chance.

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Yes but I'm not going by the date of my period as I only had sex with him once and that was afterwards by nearly 2 weeks so that makes me nearer 4 weeks than 6. I'm sure you'll agree it's not possible to be pregnant unless you have ML.




Yes, I totally agree you need to ML to be pregnant, but I don't quite understand - does that mean you ML four weeks after your last period, and that's when you concieved? That would mean you ovulate very, very, late. Do you have a six-week cycle normally? Or do you mean that you are four weeks from conception?

In the end, it doesn't really matter. ß-hcg levels should be more than "tracable" at four or six weeks. I'd have the levels checked again just to be on the safe side. Good luck with everything, and sorry this is so frustrating.

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This is semantics. Jo is 4 weeks from date of conception and 6 weeks from last menstrual period. For the most part, since DOC is sometimes not straightforward, LMP is used as the reference point.


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Jo -
Pen is talking about gestational age -a term doctors use, counting from the first day of your last period - which, of course, for most people, is two weeks MORE than the actual amount of time you have been pregnant. So yes, you would be 6 weeks gestational age if it's 4 weeks after ovulation and conception. And, since that was the absolute last time you had sex with him (right?) you cannot be less than 6 weeks gestational age (4 weeks actually pregnant).

And Pen is absolutely right, the odds of this being a viable pregnancy with no yolk sac and low HCG at 6 wks EGA is very slim. I simply meant to tell you that, if you have any discomfort with the decision to take the pills, and they did not see obvious signs of a tubal pregnancy, you can probably afford to wait a few days and retest your HCG before you intervene.

Ellie

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