Thank you for the constructive advice, blackfoot, but if you perused the previous threads I linked, you would see (a) just how hard it was for me to break the ice on this subject in the first place, and (b) just how easily I bungled it into something that was nearly a disaster. If I learned nothing else from that, I learned just how carefully I have to tread with regard to this subject.

That said, the one advantage this current plan has is that it was my wife's idea. No matter how resistant she may be to any of my suggestions, it's a different story when it's her suggestion in the first place. Now all I have to do is play along, show good faith by respecting the boundaries of the plan (subject to her desire to go beyond, of course), and see what happens.

Once we've actually managed to get past the sexual watershed, then it'll be easier for me to discuss things with her like, "If I want to express my interest in ML with you, what are good ways for me to do that?" and "If you really aren't interested, how can I figure that out and stop before I upset you?" Both of which will be important for me to know if I am ever to be comfortable with the concept of initiating.

Thank you also for the book suggestions, but we're just not at that level yet. Again, after we've managed to get past the watershed, it'll be a better time to concentrate on matters of technique. One must learn to walk before one enters the decathlon, after all!

Sometime this weekend I'll discuss this with her. Preferably after buying her plenty of chocolate.

- "A"


"Everything that happens, happens. Everything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. Everything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again."