This is one major problem I have with people (including myself pre-separation) who go into M thinking no matter what I REALLY say and do, my S will ALWAYS put up with it, deal with it, suffer it, whatever. Why? Because we a MARRIED and that's just the way it is. I just feel that is a horrible and dangerous attitude to have. Probably most of us on this board no longer feel that way but some of you still might. If your S KNOWS FOR A FACT (because you told him/her) that you will never leave the M, some of our S would rather live a crappy, miserable, boring M than have to make a true effort to change. Yuck. It makes me sad. I am frustrated just reading some of these posts tonight. I think I'll sign of and go read a trashy novel