Re ceMar So this process results in arousal 20% of the time and results in falling asleep 80% of the time. Now the worst part, if the HD guy does not guess correctly which way the LD is going (sleep versus arousal), he is dogmeat. And the clues she gives off are NOT very easy to see. So she ends up losing respect for me because I guessed wrong, and thought she was aroused when in fact she was basically asleep.

CeMar. This sounds so familiar. Maybe my percentages are different, but the basic set of components to the interactions are very similar.

What to do next is the question. I have done many things but only get results I am precieved as withdrawing from the R.

Now the burden falls on the HD partner to CHANGE their mindset at that moment to being receptive to sex
I am beginning to think trying to change someone elses mind is something that usually can't be done. The other person has their own valid reasons that make sense to them not to change.

What is the next step if a SO will not go to C or read books, or listen (and do something) to anyone elses opinions. They have their standards/beliefs and I/You don't meet those standards/beliefs.

Lou.