CeMar,

I don't know how to copy...just ready your post/question about what I wrote that John Grey said.

What it means is that women are the ones who USUALLY know that the R is not good. That is needs work. Men are often clueless. They sit in their "cave" and they are happy. Come out for food and sex (Dr Laura) and if they get it smile, give a few tokens and go back into their cave.

Now that sounds awful! I am so sorry! John nor I meant it as a slam to men. He said it well in his book and I took it out of context! He just meant men are easier to figure out and please than woman that's all.

Women are usually the ones wanting to do R talk. Although your point is good. do women bring up S talk when their are problems in the S life? Alas...seems here...no they dont'.

Although if there is a problem in the S life, there is probably a problem in the R too and if they are talking about the R...ears up ...gotta fix that too.

When we were having enough sex..was I happy >>.NO! Why? I wanted things to be RIGHT between my H and I and the lack of S was a great indicator that things were not right!

NG