Hellkat - Thankyou I think i needed to hear from someone that they have had the same dilema at least I know my instinct is steering me correctly at the moment I just have to hang tough and not give in to my heart...... He called in this morning to do his footy tips (at my work) and to take T.V for repair again as he took it last time....He chatted a bit about S as he stayed there last night and then he steered things the other way (aaargh). Anyhow I cant remember in what order things were said so I will just list them as they come to mind. H: Can we talk about maintenance (meaning money for son) M: Why what's wrong H: OW said maybe M: Sorry why would OW have anything to say on our Maintenance H: No I meant we were talking and I thought maybe we could do maintenance privately instead of through the agency. M: Sorry no it works better this way. H: So you wont discuss it. M: I see no need. H: Do you think I am happy with this sitch, I hate that I can't see my son very much. M: Well you are the one that made your choice. I am just abiding by the rules you allowed to be put in place. H: If you just give it time OW will relax when she can trust me and allow me to do more(LOL) M: Sorry but I am not giving it time I've done enough of that...all I am interested in is looking after sons interests. H: So am I M: Well all I can say is I am very disappointed she won't let us remain friends when we both wanted that for sons sake and I am also disappointed you put someone else's wants and needs ahead of your own sons. He cracked it at this comment and stormed out. I didn't follow I just let him go. He really is an alien at the moment I cannot work him out so I am not going to bother. Just going to remain dark until he contacts me and I am not entering into arguments as it serves no purpose. Even today I wasn't speaking loud and I did say i didn't want to argue and that I repected his decisions as he should repect that I am doing what I need to do for myself and the kids......Oh well that is the latest nothing great to tell just H being selfish and only looking at things from his own perspective or what OW has brainwashed him with. She reckons I manipulate him into doing things he doesn't want to do (HA) you can't make someone do something they don't agree to. For someone who is 12yrs older than me OW doesn't seem to be very smart she is actually quiet laughable......KDU