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I would like to reply to the idea that you should put yourself and your needs first.


Have you misinterpreted the quote?

It says nothing about being selfish in a "me first" manner. But it does convey the idea that one needs to save oneself before one can save another. In less drastic circumstances, one needs to keep feeding oneself to be able to feed others. This is a very realistic longterm plan, IMHO.

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I'd have to agree with Gabe on this one. I don't think anyone is advocating think solely of yourself all the time and the h@ll with everyone else. But you should look after yourself. How well do you think religion would work if the people teaching it didn't bother to work on believing themselves before spouting gospel. Do you think the Dalai Lama doesn't think about his own inner peace before telling others about it? I think he probably has spent quite a bit of time on meditation and working on his inner harmony. Then he spreads his words to others. My pastor does the same thing...he selfishly fosters his own relationship with God rather than continuously selflessly spreading the word all the time. I think that is all this is saying. And it applies to relationships. We have to be complete without our spouses, comfortable in our own skin, before we have anything meaningful to offer. Just my thoughts on what this means. Not trying to start an argument.


In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Abraham Lincoln

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Here's the daily OM. Try smiling even if you don't feel like it.

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Spreading Happiness
Smiling
The face is a complex palette of emotions. A slight turning up of the lips and a crinkling of the eyes can signal pleasure, contentment, happiness, or satisfaction. But in all cases, a smile is more than it seems. A smiling person is often judged as more attractive, pleasant to be around, sincere, honest, sociable, and inviting and is considered more confident and successful. Smiling is not a learned action. Even those born blind will smile when experiencing a joyful moment. A carefree smile is a quick and easy way to tell the world that you are open to new experiences and eager to meet new people.

It is assumed that a bright smile stems from happiness, but research has also shown that genuine happiness can stem from a smile. Even a smile called forth when you don't necessarily feel like smiling can trigger the release of endorphins, brightening your day. The simple act of smiling can help relieve stress by relaxing your facial muscles and encouraging you to focus on happy memories. And a forced smile, which only involves the muscles of the mouth, can easily turn into a true smile, which lights up the entire face. A smile motivated by real happiness is likely to inspire someone nearby to smile, possibly because of the _expression's origins in the primate grin. That grin, which some scientists believe evolved into the smile, signaled that the one grinning was a friend rather than an opponent.

In ancient China, Taoists taught the benefits of the inner smile because they believed it insured happiness, health, and longevity. One smile can lessen the sting of a negative mood and bring on a better one. But don't be self-conscious about it. Smiling is universal and looks great on everyone. A smile, directed inward, outward, or at nothing in particular brightens the world and is a gift to those who see it.






In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Abraham Lincoln

It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.
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This isn't an inspirational story. It's a reality story. I looked through the success stories (most of which are pretty old) and didn't see any cases where it worked after divorce. It also seemed that most of the stories weren't about separated people.

So I searched the internet for remarriage to ex-spouses. There weren't many hits on that either. So basically we are left with anecdotal acccounts of people that remarried their Xes. So what do you think the odds are? I've heard a fairly high quote, but I bet reality is like .1%

I guess that wasn't real inspirational. But knowing the odds or hearing success stories doesn't change the fact that we can only be the best people possible, be happy with who we are, and get a life. The ball is entirely in the court of the X whether they want another relationship with us.

But it would be nice if Michelle could provide a success story or two from people that were divorced. But maybe "divorced, but not done" doesn't really fall into the category of "divorce busting".


In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Abraham Lincoln

It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.
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Song of the day....Alan Jackson

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Remember when I was young and so were you
And time stood still and love was all we knew
You were the first, so was I
We made love and then you cried
Remember when
Remember when we vowed the vows and walked the walk
Gave our hearts, made the start, it was hard
We lived and learned, life threw curves
There was joy, there was hurt
Remember when

Remember when old ones died and new were born
And life was changed, disassembled, rearranged
We came together, fell apart
And broke each other's hearts
Remember when

Remember when the sound of little feet was the music
We danced to week to week
Brought back the love, we found trust
Vowed we'd never give up
Remember when

Remember when thirty something seemed old
Now lookin' back, it's just a steppin' stone
To where we are, where we've been
Said we'd do it all again
Remember when

Remember when we said when we turned gray
When the children grow up and move away
We won't be sad, we'll be glad
For all the life we've had
And we'll remember when






In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Abraham Lincoln

It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.
Theodore Roosevelt

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Listening With A Open Heart
Being A Good Listener
Everyone appreciates a good listener. We all know how wonderful it is to be able to have someone to share our life with, whether it is the joys and frustrations of being a new parent, the excitement of a new career, the heartache of a lost love, or simple chitchat. At times, we all want and need to be heard. It is equally important then that we develop the skills to lend a helping ear to others.

Being a good listener means being an active listener by being fully present when someone is talking to you. Making eye contact when someone is speaking helps to connect us to one another. It also keeps us focused on what is being saying, rather than what we are thinking. We need to not only hear words, but also to read body language and understand feelings. It goes without saying that we shouldn't interrupt someone when they are talking, or to judge and criticize, but often we fall into such habits without being conscious of them. By being fully present when someone is speaking we are better able to simply listen and give advice only if we are asked.

We don't have to agree with everything or anything that is being said, but listening with an open mind is respectful to the speaker and it allows us to understand the other person and ourselves better. By letting go of assumptions and hearing what is being said, as well as the tone of voice the speaker is using, we can better understand our differences and perhaps find some similarities.

Reflect back to the speaker that you understand and empathize with their feelings of happiness, anxiety, and/or sadness. Ask questions if you don't understand, but respect boundaries if the speaker seems uncomfortable. Sometimes, being a good listener means listening to the silence in between words. Being a good listener is easy - simply listen with your ears, as well as your heart


In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Abraham Lincoln

It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.
Theodore Roosevelt

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The Heart of the Matter by Don Henley

I got the call today, I didn't want to hear
But I knew that it would come
An old, true friend of ours was talkin' on the phone
She said you found someone
And I though of all the bad luck,
and the struggles we went through
And how I lost me and you lost you
What are those voices outside love's open door
Make us throw off our contentment
and beg for something more?

I'm learning to live without you now
But I miss you sometimes
The more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought I knew, I'm learning again
I've been tryin' to get down
to the heart of the matter
But my will gets weak
and my thoughts seem to scatter
But I think it's about foregiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if you don't love me anymore

These times are so uncertain
There's a yearning undefined
...people filled with rage
We all need a little tenderness
How can love survive in such a graceless age?
The trust and self-assurance that lead to happiness
They're the very thing we kill, I guess
Pride and competition
cannot fill these empty arms
And the work I put between us
doesn't keep me warm

I'm learning to live without you now
But I miss you, baby
The more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought I figured out
I have to learn again
I've been trying to get down
to the heart of the matter
But everything changes
and my friends seem to scatter
But I think it's about foregiveness
Foregiveness
Even if, even if you don't love me anymore

There are people in your life who've come and gone
They let you down and hurt your pride
Better put it all behind you, life goes on
You keep carrying that anger, it'll eat you up inside

I've been trying to get down
to the heart of the matter
Because the flesh will get weak
and the ashes will scatter
So I'm thinkin' about foregivness
Foregiveness
Even if, you don't love me

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Very nice Bethie,

I especially like..."But I think it's about foregiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if you don't love me anymore"


In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Abraham Lincoln

It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.
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I Can't Help You Nowby Bonnie Raitt

Where were you when I was falling down
wasn't around your heart
Why do you wait till I was moving on
to come out of the dark
to say I'm what you need
and you can spend your life with me
Well I can't help you now
no I can't help you now
Maybe there was a time
but sometimes time runs out
well I can't help you now

It's been 40 days
since I've stopped counting the days
Counting the ways
that I love you
Good long while since I found
good enough reason
Stop believing
that you are what I really want
and now that you do
baby I don't

but I can't help you now
I can't help you now
Maybe there was a time
but sometimes time runs out
And I can't help you now..hey hey

Now you say
I'm the one you need
and you can spend you're life with me
but I can't help you now
no I can't help you now......I can't help you now

Baby there was a time
and I wish I could somehow
but I can't help you
can't help you now







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Hi,

How is everyone? This is a Jeremy Camp song written after his wife died. I think it's applicable to divorced too.

Scattered words and empty thoughts
seem to pour from my heart
I've never felt so torn before
seems I don't know where to start
but it's now that I feel Your grace falls like rain
from every fingertip, washing away my pain

Chorus:
Scattered words and empty thoughts
seem to pour from my heart
I've never felt so torn before
seems I don't know where to start
but it's now that I feel Your grace falls like rain
from every fingertip, washing away my pain

Chorus:
I still believe in Your faithfulness
I still believe in Your truth
I still believe in Your holy word
even when I don't see, I still believe

Though the questions still fog up my mind
with promises I still seem to bear
even when answers slowly unwind
it's my heart I see You prepare
but its now that I feel Your grace fall like rain
from every finger tip, washing away my pain

Chorus
I still believe in Your faithfulness
I still believe in Your truth
I still believe in Your holy word
even when I don't see, I still believe

The only place I can go is into your arms
where I throw to you my feeble prayers
in brokeness I can see that this was your will for me
Help me to know You are near



In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Abraham Lincoln

It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.
Theodore Roosevelt

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