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You don't suppose that from just a brief fun conversation on the phone with me she had to immediately distance herself that fast, do you?

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Pretend it's another couple... If that was the action of someone else's WAS, would you say it appears she's on a rollercoaster?

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WAWf, don't get too caught up in trying to figure out what's behind specific events. You'll get bogged down in the details. It's helpful to have an idea of what people are going through over weeks and months, but day-to-day is really impossible to figure out. Why not use it more as a test of your resolve than as a puzzle to solve? You'll feel better about yourself when you push past these perceived setbacks and focus on what's next.


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When W keeps bringing up financial matters, is it o.k. to say something to the effect of, "We both know that our finaces are not the cause of this, and they can be worked out easier together than apart," or, should I just leave it alone and not argue.

What do you think?

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Is she blaming part of her walking away on financial matters? Or is she just raising them?


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The EA and other issues started long before the financial matters. I truly believe that she is using the financial matters as an excuse to make our M sound worse off than it really is and to relieve her guilt. She seems to fall back on that topic from time to time. The fact is, tohether we would be financially ok, apart we will be devestated.

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The fact is, together we would be financially ok, apart we will be devestated.

Yeah, I can relate.

Maybe you could consider validating her feelings about finances without validating the substance of her complaints? And if it comes down to it, you might be better served validating the whole thing. It leaves her nothing but air to argue with. I think the problem you've got is this: if she's misusing the financial issues to justify her behavior, then she's already not looking at the finances accurately. Given the tendencies of WAS's on this board, it seems unlikely that you're going to be able to use logic to alter her mindset.

At least with my W, validating some pretty insane crap seems to work better than the alternative. At the very minimum it makes me not the enemy.

Give it a try and see if it works. You can always try something else if it doesn't. And it's an interesting experiment to see if something so unintuitive can actually work, sort of like reverse psychology.


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#503476 08/23/05 01:02 AM
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BB, or anyone else, any examples of validating this particular subject???

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If you want to give specifics we can be more, well, specific. But in general, I was thinking along these lines:

"You're anxious about the mortgage. Are you afraid we're going to lose the house?"

"The credit card balance seems to be scaring you. Are you thinking we won't be able to pay it off?"

"You're right; we spend too much money eating out."

"Yes W, $150 was a lot for me to spend on a manicure and hair tint, but I needed to feel pretty that day. I'm sorry."

You know, stuff like that.


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#503478 08/23/05 01:27 AM
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You mean like:

"Sweetie, I know reconciliating the checking account must be difficult for you since 'reconciliation' isn't part of your vocabulary."

"I know you always look how to cut corners and to spend the least amount, honey. Why, just look at how effectively you cheapened our marriage!"

Seriously though, what's there to validate? There may be some benefit to her experiencing life without your support and undergoing a hardship on her own. It seems to be that when WASs hit rock bottom, there are turnarounds in the sitch.

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