Hi Pam - THanks for stopping by - and yes, I'm discovering just how universal the application of dbing principles is Looking back, I can see that I was incredibly lucky to have gotten to 40 before really being hit with problems of 'letting it all hang out' - I do not recall ever having to think carefully, maybe even script, important conversations. Just that little bit of planning, what my goals are, being able to visualize the baby steps, seem to work with even the most difficult characters I have to deal with. Duh