la esperanza and UD, point well taken. I see where a C session for W likley would be an error. I will see a C tomorrow for me. I went to see her back in March and she did help open my eyes some. It was when I found this BB and DR that I really began to work on myself.

Looking back, I can honestly say that I've made some significant improvements and W has noticed. Just "too little too late" in her view. I still backslide when she hits my "buttons" though and I've simply got to get better at controlling that. It is like she says X and I respond automatically, without thinking it through.

Like Tuesday night, she initiated the R discussion and I validated her statements but she was going over the same ground as the last dozen discussions. Do they ever get over the anger? I will just keep DB'ing and working on my techniques, and focus on the kids. I think you are correct and it is time for me to back way off and let her work things out in her own mind.