Thanks Hellkat I feel you really do understand what I am saying. I am sure you sit there going "Oh no I know where this is heading" but like you say we need to travel the path to get to the end. They play with your head like nobody else. I am not ringing him but he rings me, every day and often 3-4 times a day for nothing, trivial BS is all it is. Today he has rung 3 times and called me "dear" the 1st two times and the last time said "O.K dear, I will see you in the morning" and then gone "Oh [censored] did I say dear" and I said yes but you did the last 2 times as well, don't worry some habits die hard. He just laughed and said I must be feeling comfortable if I am calling you that again. I didn't answer anything just said I would see him in the morning. He is dropping in to my work as he is going out with my boss. Yes I work for a mutual friend. LOL. He is taking our S away this weekend and wants me to go shopping with him Thursday night as he is hopeless and it will cost him a fortune if I don't anyway I said does it matter what time and he said he didn't know as he wasn't sure if he would have to see OW. I kept calm and just said O.K. well lets make it straight after work and then we are both free and I can make whatever plans I want. He then says if he does have to see her he can get away again by 9 and I said what does that matter and he said he thought we could catch up after that. I said I think I will have made other plans by then. He reckons that she doesn't want to see him all that much at the moment as she still doesn't trust him after his and my liason the other week.(Ha SHE DOESN'T TRUST HIM)lol. Mind you he still feels he has to answer to her so as long as he is still jumping when she says jump there will be no us. I can tell he is unsure of himself but I must protect myself until he is sure. I know all this so why when I get the opportunity to ML with him I do it. My next Mini-goal I guess is to refuse when it's on offer next time just to see if I can be that strong. It will also play with his mind a bit. I do truly believe that he needs to get her out of his system and until that happens (if ever) we will never be able to make anything work. I tell you it is so frustrating. Hellkat how long have you and your H been apart now??? I have read your sitch and I forget if it was mentioned, quicker to ask you than to go searching. H said I can use his car while he is gone and said he would have to make sure he told OW and I said why and he said as if she sees you driving it she will wonder why.(WHO TF CARES WHAT SHE THINKS) but they do. Could I leave a pair of lacey nickers in the glovebox Mmmmmm LOL That would make her wonder but H would know I was stirring things up so I can't but it was a nice thought while it lasted. I could always leave a hair scrunchie on the gearstick or a lipstick on the floor though. Bit of a spray of perfume on the seat. Hehehe. Oh well I have to amuse myself somehow Anyway gotta go look at houses another joy H has left me with finding somewhere for me and the kids as our lease is up, timing is perfect. No we don't own our home O.K catch you all later.....Kim