Hey Guys, Thanks Yoyo for your encouragement and also to you to NYS. Now NYS Harsh, Stern they are just words mate, I wasn't offended I really think it was what I needed to hear so don't concern yourself with that. Well Friday my H rang me at work trying to apologise but said nothing that made any great difference and kept going on about how much his balls have been busted this week. I said to him well if they have been busted it has been by her not by me and you are the one that created this situation. All I am interested in is making sure that our S doesn't suffer because if you and I don't get along in front of him it will make things awful for him and I don't want that. I said for tonight maybe it would be better for him not to have S as we would probably end up arguing and that was not going to do anyone any good. I said if he would like to try and have a civilised discussion re: Son then we could do this b4 he picked him up. He replied I can't I have to go out for awhile tonight (as OW's best friend was leaving work) I could come over after that and I said don't bother, if that is more important then do that. Anyway I ended conversation as I said we are not getting anywhere I will speak to you when you have something worth hearing. He rang again that night telling me I was putting our S in the middle and using him as blackmail bait. I said if you think that you are entitled to your opinion but if you knew me well enough you would know I would never intenionally do that, my only concern is our S not growing up with parents that cannot be in the same room which in turn makes his life difficult. I know as I live it every day with my parents. I do not want to discuss our R or our M I just want to make our S life easier, speak to me when you want the same. We had an accountants appointment for Sat morn and I went to this and he was waiting out the front. We had a brief conversation, went in to our appointment and then had a proper conversation afterwards. He had calmed down enough to apologise for his actions of the last few days and said he understood what I was meaning in relation to our S. This having been done it looks like things will be a bit calmer for awhile....maybe...Anyhow one of the things which is weird is he asked me why I pushed him and Pressured him over OW when he had asked me not to. I said because if I was to put our R first and give it a proper go again like you said I would have to have no doubts about OW and if you could handle the pressure and end things with her to me it would have shown she was out of your system but when I pressured you you chose her which shows you would have done the same if we had tried to make things work. I wanted to be able to put it to rest and trust you again but you showed that your not over her which I needed to know b4 investing time and energy into something that was only going to cause me pain. He said he understood but was disappointed as he really thought things would have turned out differently. I said oh well you have made your choice now and he said yeah I suppose. He really didn't sound very happy but that is his problem. They amaze me how they play one against the other I don't truly think he knows what he wants at all and until he does I guess he is stuck with her. I am just going to speak to him when he contacts me or when he picks up S other than that forget it....... Let's see how I feel in another couple of days....He rang me Sunday just to discuss football so go figure what he is doing. It was a weak excuse just to speak with me.....maybe that shows some interest but I will take it that he still has no idea what he is doing or what he wants......They are soooooo confusing.