Rob

Sorry to hear about your situation. Strange that this should come up in your thread as i debate the same questions. The realization that i have reached can be answered by this - i plan to fill out a rental agreeement this evening on the way home from work. OUr sitchs are fundamentally different but i think the point of commonality is that both of our spouses need space.

I have tried for the past few weeks to give space while living at home and it just doesn't work - especially if there are kids - who cant figure out why daddy is in his room while everyone else is down stairs playing. It is also to easy for you to just end up in the same room and when she looks back on it, she won't see two people sitting "alone" in the same room - she will see it as you "following her around" - sorry to use quotes from my W -

i found a cheap place that has a 2 mnth cancellation agreement and we are going to try that. don't know if it will work but at least it will lend clearity for the kids - the toe half in and half out of the pool can't be good for them.

I love my wife with all my heart - much the way you love yours, but you can't make them love, trust, respect, not take advantage of, etc you. You control you and your thougths and emotions - people may try to influence how you feel and what you think but in the end it is you - sorry to ramble.

keep me posted on what goes on for you - and by the way - if your computer was to have an accident like the deletion of a key component of your internet providers software - what would happen around your home? just kidding, stay stong and sorry to jack your thread.