I absolutely agree with you...and that was sort of my point also. With anyone with any self esteem and respect, there does come a time when a choice has to be made to save themselves. T-bone might not be there yet, but in time, he will be. I also say step back and get your thoughts together...in time, your W will either come to know what she wants or stay confused. My ex-bf got me involved before he was emotionally ready to move on and many people were hurt in the process. So the best thing is to go through this process without anyone emotionally getting involved.