I would have to agree with dfb. Deb has been at this a very long time with basically no change except her H seeing that by Deb's actions he can have both of them. He is waiting for one of these woman to give him the boot and the other will win by default. The excuses are neverending. So what if the OW has migranes? he is so worried about the OW's daughter, what about his own son and daughter? Why do they not matter as much to him? I truly believe at this point that unless Deb sets her limits, is clear on them and follows thru, he will continue on the way he has been. Why should he do anything else? The OW seems to have dug her heels in as well and she isnt going anywhere. Plus in addition to dealing with we have all had to deal with Deb has the extra added bonus of having to work with her H and the OW. She has no place of peace to go, home is not safe, work is not safe, this woman even invades her church. Deb: How has today been going? I really dont think any of us are trying to get you to do something you dont want to do, we just want you to start looking out for yourself. You deserve better than this and I think the only person who can effect a change is you. Your H is not going to, the OW is not going to. Have you had another appt. with your priest? Let us know how you are.