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It's as fair as any other observation on my part, and I may be right, or I may be wrong. You did write that you were "pushy" in your relationship. "Pushy" is a big word and can mean many things. Pushy behavior is not limited to one aspect of a person and probably spilled over into other facets you may not be aware of. It seemed to me that to hold onto a personal opinion in light of researched information falls into the same category as this pushy aggressiveness or stubbornness, and that led me to wonder if that trait played a part in your contribution to the deterioration of your relationship. I thought that was fair enough.

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It seemed to me that to hold onto a personal opinion in light of researched information falls into the same category as this pushy aggressiveness or stubbornness

I do not just accept researched information as fact as I have learned in my college research classes that research can be skewed. There are many factors that play into whether or not the findings of a research study are accurate or skewed. I have to read the research and then evaluate the factors to determine whether or not the research is legitimate. There are conclusions from research studies that contradict other research studies, thus just because something is researched does not mean that it is right. And it does not make me close-minded, stubborn, or aggressive to filter the information that I accept as fact.

As far as the "traits" that led to the deterioration of my relationship - I may not have posted on the details but I have indeed posted in different areas that I know I did wrong and I recognize what those things are. My husband and I have had several conversations and we are both able to identify the things that we each did wrong. And yes I am making changes, permanent changes, but these changes don't happen overnight. It is a process and sometimes the journey through that process is straight forward. Sometimes it is a few steps forward followed by a couple steps back and then a few steps forward again until the journey is complete and the goal of change is met.
It is not necessarily an immediate all or nothing change.
The fact is, I have been making a lot of changes and yes my husband has noticed those changes. I know that I have to keep working at them to keep those changes in place so that they become permanent.







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I do not just accept researched information as fact as I have learned in my college research classes that research can be skewed.

And your personal opinion is not?

Still, it is an opportunity to learn.

I'm sorry you got so offended.

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Honestly, NY, I did get offended and I am sorry for that as I shouldn't have.

I agree that any new information is an opportunity to learn. However, I had a different interpretation of what you presented. I did learn things about myself. And I have learned how to handle things differently as they occur in my relationship. I'm taking the portions of it that fit me and my relationship and using it to my advantage. I've never said you were wrong, I have just said that I do not agree 100% with the information you presented.

I see you post lots of good advice and good information on this board. I have taken alot of it and applied it to myself and my situation. I respect your insight and your knowledge. However, I do have my own interpretation of things sometimes and from time to time we're not always going to agree.

Truce?

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Oh we don't need a truce 'cause we never had a quarrel.

Do watch out for those expectations though, they serve as a lot of fodder for angst among these boards!

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What expectations - I didn't have any.........

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Update

Not much has happened since last Thursday and the unofficial "date" that husband and I had.

Monday evening he called to say he was working overtime again and wouldn't be "home". I think he wanted to talk for a while but I had to cut the phone call short because I was busy.

He called back on Tuesday evening. I asked him if he was bored and tired of being at work so many days in a row (he works 24 hours shifts). He said it was ok. I asked him how today (tuesday) was and he said it "wasn't too bad". Later that evening my friend called me and in the conversation she said that she had seen and talked to my husband that afternoon. So now I was confused, he was suppose to have been at work 60 miles away, not here in town where my friend talked to him.

-------------Before anyone tells me about how I shouldn't have expectations and I don't need to know where he is let me first say that this was not about expectations. This was about a breakdown in communication. ---------------

In the previous conversation with him I had asked the questions (how it been boring, etc) in the context that he was still at work. He had answered my questions as though I was asking them in general as he had been at work a total of 4 straight days (this day would have been his 5th). His reply to me reinforced that thought that he was still currently at work.

So this has a potential to become a bad situation and take him and I several steps back in our progress. But it didn't. It didn't because I have been learning things about myself and my husband. I have learned that it is not what I ask my husband or what I approach him about, it is how I do it. Alot of how he responds to me depends upon the tone of voice that I use. So I called and the first thing I said after I said hello was "We got cut off earlier, sorry about that". (We had indeed gotten cut off during our previous conversation because I had went through an area of poor cell service and I hadn't bother to call back yet.) Then I calmly and quietly asked him if he was at work. He replied "yes, I'm laying on my bed as we speak" So then I calmly and quietly asked him "so were you here in town today?". Then he proceeded to tell me that he was and why. And we had a nice little conversation but he had to go. So about an hour later he called me back and we talked for a little bit more, just friendly conversation. And all was good.

This phone call was a good thing for us in this particular situation. Reason being, I have learned one of my behaviors that pushed my husband away was that of making accusations and talking rudely to him. In this case, my husband and I were able to clear up a miscommunication wihtout any drama at all.

The process of reconciliation has several parts. The first is learning and following the principles of DBing. The second part is identifying our contributions to the decline of the relationship. The third part is making the changes to eliminate those behaviors. And the fourth part is making those changes permanent.

Learning how to clear up miscommunications with my husband calmly without argueing is an important step in making a new relationship with him work, if that is the direction this goes. I am realizing that one of the things keeping my husband from coming home is the fact that he is afraid that we will both fall back into our old ways. I know that I have to optimize every opportunity to show him changes. I do realize that if he decides to come home, I have to put just as much effort into making sure those changes stick permanently.

This change in how I interact with him is vital in making a new relationship with him work. It is very important to him and I'm sure he is going to need to see multiple examples of it before he feels comfortable enough to eliminate it as a reason not to come home.


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Alright!!!!!!!! I finally finished painting the first color in my kitchen. The cabinets, wainscoting and woodwork are done . I can move on to the walls this weekend. But I did a stupid thing - I painted the window shut....I'll have to try to get it open some other time.

My husband sent me a text message telling me his plans for the night. I thought that was nice. I haven't had an urge to call him........and I think that's good. I did want to send him a text message "good night" but I resisted the urge and now I'm going to bed.

So good night all.........TJ

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How long were you two S or DBing before he started contacting you for no reason except to tell you little things like his plans etc?

My H only contacts me for practical purposes (although almost every day) and I'd love a purposeless call.

What's the longest you've gone without communication since S?

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Hey Tessa,

You inspired me to write a long response on Kim C's thread. And then I read your thread and see that you mentioned some very similar thoughts!

Road to reconciliation

If you have time, take a look and let me know what you think of my comments. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm doing:)




But what is happiness except the simple harmony between a man and the life he leads? ~Albert Camus
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