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Now that I know she is, there are a bunch of things that I can think of, if only.... (wishful thinking )

I am the first to admit that I am not the most astute lover in the world, but W was somewhat subdued in the ML process, so it was hard to "read" her, STS.

I don't feel LD...

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csw,

I too was subdued (with him)...I never wanted to push or demand....and well, ok....there was also a part of me that selfishly thought that he should "just know"...and that don't happen LOL.

WHEN you get the opportunity again, make sure you do everything in your power to make certain she doesn't have to take care of herself. Show her you are willing to learn every freakin inch of her. Ask her what she likes, or simply try things if you are to shy to ask...believe me, if she doesn't like it...she'll probably let you know!

Don't do what my H did...nothing. That leads to LOTS of hurt feelings and resentment on her behalf....but I think you already know that, no need reinforcing that one right now is there?

Keep positive, remember you WILL get the opportunity to do this!

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ARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
W said yesterday, "Shouldn't it just come naturally, shoundl't you just know??????? Oy vay! WhaddamI a geenius or sumptin?

W told me this morning that she was surprised that I worked out at the gym last night. (I haven't since high school, ummmm 18 years) I said something about endorphins, but I should have told her I was trying to get so hot she couldn't resist me.....

I know most of her square footage, but she seems to have forgotten the good times.

More wishful thinking......

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It amazes me how many people follow the same scripts, whether it is regarding affairs, WAWs, LDHDs. Should't we just know that its all been said before? Shouldn't there be some sort of instruction manual by now? I am truly baffled.


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well i wanna be her hero
wanna be her man
well i wanna be her lover any way i can
and i wanna be her friend and im doing all i can
cuz i love her little smiles and all the letters she sends
she sends me

MOE. She sends me
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csw, what exactly do you mean by
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because I had a feeling W was finishing the job herself (I got that feeling one of the last times we ML


GEL alluded to it, too. Do you mean she gave herself an O manually while still in bed with you? Or do you mean she left the room and gave herself an O manually? What did you mean: "I got the feeling"? Were you not there in the room with her to see what she was doing.

If you mean the former (finished herself while with you), I see ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that! I have always stimulated myself when ML. Not every single time, but just about. The number of times I have come with no direct clitoral stimulation (manual or oral) I can count on the fingers of that one hand. And I understand that I am not atypical. Her hand, your hand, vibrator, your leg, a pillow, your tongue... who cares? (But if she can give herself an O with HER tongue, time to call the Discovery Channel. )

And if you mean the latter (left the room to give herself an O) the only thing wrong with that is that either or both of you felt it necessary for her to leave the room.

An O anyway you can get it is a good O, in my book!

Surely you aren't judging yourself (and she is not judging herself) as a lover by whether she can have the "no hands" O? Tell me this isn't so.

And I guess it does happen naturally AFTER YOU HAVE LEARNED. It's like dancing or playing the piano... you practice and then later you can just enjoy the music without thinking about it so much. After you have learned, and after you have broadened your definition of what's okay.

If I've misunderstood, so sorry. This is a hot button of mine.. that it has to happen a certain way, in a certain order, and you get the "score" points accordingly. Bah!

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I mean I was getting rid of the condom, out of the room. I find no probs with her helping herself during after or whatever, but I have the problem with the fact that she couldn't just say, come back here, I need a little more. I would happily have helped aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnyyyyyyyy way possible, believe me. I would have loved if she could have helped me help her, IYKWIM

Whaddaya mean score points???? I am completely clueless as to what that means.....

I am a flexible guy, and have no hangups about order, I just am not that astute and versed in the art of ML I suppose.

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My bad. You sound very cool with it. Some guys feel the woman's O doesn't "count" unless they gave it to her.

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Well, my coolness may be coming a bit late. Clearly she feels that her O didn't matter enough to me. I couldn't tell if she had one or not.... There are no lights that goes off or projectiles, so to speak.

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Why didn't you ask her if she had one?

I usually do, if I can't tell...

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Cuz I'm stoooopid, I guess.

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