Jo wrote
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If she starts doing more things for herself her self-esteem might rise and you'd find these depression symptoms and lack of intimacy in the M may get better.
PS: Sorry, I'll take my therapist's hat off now
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Jo. I lumped several years of W's behaviors into one post. I should have given more history. You can put on your therapist hat anytime.

W did start talking to most of her relatives about 6/9 months ago. She occassionaly goes out with her former work friends. I agree, low selfesteem. And the "you are controlling" statement surface when I try to get her to do some things because I see she is depressed or just needs to get out of the house and be with women her age so she can have some girl fun.

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she thinks that you will understand her needs without her saying anything ('if he loved me he would know what I want') so she endevours to stress her needs through indirect manipulation or hints and if you don't get it the first time, she will punish you by arguments or withdrawal of intimacy.
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I read and decided a couple of months age, somethinng had to change. If I let W continue to treat me (and her) poorly and not do anything about it, I was just as guilty as she for allowing the poor behavior to continue. Guilty by inaction.

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treating her rather than bossing her around.
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Good idea. W sees it as me trying to fix her. I will have to practice acting like it's a treat. I have been "Mr Fix-it" for so long, it's difficult for W to see me anyother way.

Typical problem in relationships=H does something to cheer W up, W sees it as manipulation ot "fixing". W does something she thinkd H will enjoy, H thinks "what this going to cost me". Also W thinks she is not appreciated so she buys herself gifts.

Both of us are getting away from this. More giving and no expectations.

OG Lou. The kitty meowed on thursday and sunday.