One more thing...after he knocks me down with the info I just wrote about, he comes over to hug me. What the F? That just pisses me off. I even asked him if he doesn't see that that is conflicting info. Keep talking to the OW, yet hug and kiss me. Whatever. How can he feel like this is ok? The counselor didn't make him very happy yesterday. Would love to know what he told him. We have an appt together on Wednesday. Seems like that's years away. He went to bed just now because I think he's just tired of talking about this crap. Well, newsflash! I am too. I'd rather not and just live in my lala world believing that "he'll come around" eventually. In the mean time if he doesn't, leaves me wasting valuable time in my life and the life our kids. How in the world can I continue to say it's ok for him to talk to OW yet stay in our house? I told him tonight that if he can't give her up completely, he needs to leave. Not an ultimatum, but he needs to see from my side. What started all this was the fact that his phone rang in the car tonight and he looked at the number and didn't answer it. So is that supposed to make me feel better? She's probably just returning his call from earlier. I'm feeling closer and closer to calling the OW and telling her to back the hell off. It's like he's 'pretending' when he's here by hugging and kissing me when he leaves or whatever. He says it's not that's it's hard to do, it seems to be coming naturally. So the hell is the problem then? He still is 'waiting' to see if his feelings for me return. That's what he says anyway. I think he's just waiting to see if the OW is going to leave her H or not. I told him I need to know what need she is fullfilling that I'm not. It's not sexual. Guarantee it. It has always been an EA. Does he expect to wake up one day and say, gee, my W sure is being nice, maybe she'll be like this always now. Think I'll stop calling OW. NO! There is something that's waiting for to happen and I need to know what it is. I told him I need to know what he needs from me that he's not getting. He says he doesn't know. I said there needs to be some reason you're calling her. It's to fulfill some need he's not getting here. I'm exhausted and I just want this to all go away.