sorry for the confused message. What I meant was: After I (HD) have begged my wife (LD) and done everything we are supposed to do. Followed SSM methods and DB methods...she still express little or no desire for me. The reality is She must not really like me. right? Because if it was reversed and I was not talking or whatever she wanted....and I didn't change she would be feeling it was because I simply didn't care enough to.