JohnDad, Just got thru reading your last post, and I'm glad you vent here. I know how frustrating it is. My XW is serious about someone else. I feel your frustration. God only knows what goes on in their mind. As far as seeing her, I think that seeing them actually makes it harder for me. I see her a couple times a week. Every time I see her I get all screwed up. I know one thing, she knows how I feel. The ball is in her court, so I stay away, dont call, so on and so-forth. Try to focus your energy into your boys, and GAL. I know thats what everyone says, but what else can you do? The ball is in her court, I believe we should leave the contact up to them. Hope??????