Ellie, ok, then let me laugh about "romantic needs". My H is NOT romantic. That is just funny! Anyway, your clarification of your meaning is appreciated. You bet my son's needs are legit. It would never be the case that I would tell him he has to deal with it or leave. The three of us have to work on this and probably more H and me because S isn't going to want to participate, at least not in the beginning. Yes, H does need to make some kind of a move here. Thanks for your advice and support!