thanks Sage, I dont take it as admonishing...I really need and appreciate the input. OH yeah, I have my insecurities all right! and I know a lot of them come from my brain....actually that reminds me of something I was going to post and forgot this week, I'll have to do it later as I have to go teach class, but I found some stuff I was convinced H had given to ow....thank god I never said anything about my suspicions!!!!!!!!!!!